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Original submission by T Apr 3rd 2007:

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Red/blue/black Straight 6 Commodore Sump. Click to enlargen. Image by SleakVH.

Holden Engine Sumps:

The model of the car determines which sump gets used. A major consideration is clearance between the sump bottom, the Crossmember and the Steering Gear. HQ - WB has the steering drag link up the front so most of the oil store is at the rear of the sump.
Pre HQ has the drag link behind the cross member, so those sumps are shaped to allow clearance behind the crossmember.
Straight 6 Commodores have the rack and pinion at the rear of the engine so the oil store is at the front of the sump.      

 
VB -VK 6 Cyl Sump. Photo by EHyser64. Click to Enlargen.

 
EH Sump. Click to enlargen. Image by Dusty Dirt Roads.

 
VC or VH Commodore Engine. Note that the Well of the Sump is at the front to provide clearance for the Rack and Pinion Steering which is mounted at the rear of the Engine. Click to enlargen. Image by SleakVH.
HR Sump. Click to enlargen. Image by HQSS.

 
 
HR Sump. Click to enlargen. Image by HQSS.

Image by HQ SS. A 202 Engine with HR sump. Click to Enlargen.
 
 
Front HQ - HZ V8. Rear HK - HG V8. Image by HQ SS. Click to Enlargen.

 
HK HT HG 6 Cyl sump. Image by Shrek. Click to Enlargen.

 
LC LJ Torana 6 Cyl sump. Image by HQ_SS. Click to Enlargen.

 
Front HQ - HZ V8 Sump. Rear HK HT HG V8 Sump. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
 
Sumps. Top 265 Valiant (blue), middle (red) HK-T-G, lower HQ - HZ 6. Click to enlargen. Image by Mark Evans.
 
HR Sump. Remember it's the Car that determines the exact sump to be used and not the Engine. A 186 in an H-K-T-G will use an HK-T-G Sump. Click to enlargen. Image by HRambo.
 
Holden 253 Engine and HQ - WB Sump. Photo by 2HQueues. Click to Enlargen.
 
Holden 253 Engine and HQ - WB Sump. Photo by 2HQueues. Click to Enlargen.
 
Holden 149 Engine from EH Holden. Note the umbrella handle crankcase ventilation pipe. Click to Enlargen. Photo by 1963EJ.
Note the HQ - HZ sump. Click to Enlargen. Photo by VEIGHT.
 
Front HQ - HZ V8. Rear HK - HG V8. Image by HQ SS. Click to Enlargen.
VB -VK 6 Cyl Sump. The red Circle marks the Dipstick Hole. Photo by EHyser64. Click to Enlargen.
Grey Motor (132 - 138) Holden Sump. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Kinswood.
   

Interchangeability:

All red, blue or black straight 6 Sumps fit any red, blue or black straight 6 Engine (149, 179, 161, 186, 173, 202, 2850, 3.3). They are all interchangeable between Engines but that doesn't mean they will fit into the Car. Each model Sump and Pick-up Tube is designed to fit the particular Car. The position of the steering gear and the Crossmember determine the Sump shape and the Pickup Tube shape. When changing an engine from using a Commodore sump to a Kingswood sump, the dipstick will have to be relocated from the sump to the rear of the block.
When changing an engine from using a Kingswood sump to a Commodore sump, the dipstick will have to be relocated from rear of the block to the sump.   HQ - HZ, UC and WB Sumps are interchangeable.  

LC/J torana 6cyl sumps are unique to LC/J Toranas and nothing else will fit.
HQ/WB,LH/X/UC 6cyl sumps are all the same.
All 6cyl Holden sumps are interchangable. Red, Blue or Black.
You must use the LC sump on your Blue 6cyl, not the WB sump. Oil pickups differ also. Jeff.   

Pickup Tubes:

The sump and pickup tubes are made for each other. An HQ 6 uses an HQ 6 sump and an HQ 6 pickup tube. Use the pickup tube associated with the car the engine will be fitted to.  

Baffled Sumps:

Submitted by WBJailwagon on Mon, 02/07/2007 - 13:15.

Looks like an LC/J Torana sump. They had a baffle to stop the oil surging forward under heavy braking.

Cheers, Jeff.

End of submission by by WBJailwagon. Refer to the LC/LJ image.

Jacks' 202 going into his CF Bedford. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Jacks.
186 Engine from HG. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Dusty Dirt Roads.
LC/LJ Sump with flap vane to prevent oil surge under heavy braking. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Dusty Dirt Roads.
 
EH sump on 186S (Now 192) to fit FC Holden. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Streetneat.

 
179 Engine removed from HR. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HR Ambo.
 
HG 6 Cyl Sump. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HR Ambo.
 
HQ - HZ, LH, LX, UC Sump on a blue 3.3 Engine. Photo by Dusty. Click to Enlargen.
 
HQ - HZ, UC Sump on a blue 3.3 Engine. Photo by Chopper75. Click to Enlargen.
 
HQ - HZ, UC Sump on a blue 3.3 Engine. Photo by Chopper75. Click to Enlargen.

 

 
202 Engine fitted with HQ - HZ, LH, LX, UC Sump.  Photo by uca78t. Click to Enlargen.

 

 
HQ - HZ, LH, LX, UC Sump is on the left. HR Sump is on the right. Photo by Ashmaaaan. Click to Enlargen.
   
202 Engine fitted with HQ - HZ, LH, LX, UC Pickup Tube.  Photo by uca78t. Click to Enlargen.
173 Engine with HQ - HZ Sump fitted to Land Rover.  Photo by Tom Kelly. Click to Enlargen.
Holden High Compression 161 Engine from an HR Holden. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Matt Hipsley.
Side view of the LC/LJ Sump with flap vane to prevent oil surge under heavy braking. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Dusty Dirt Roads.

Kingswood In Car Sump Removal:

you can pull the sump from a hq-wb by undo-ing the engine mount through bolts, jacking the engine, and place a hammer handle or similar (approx 1.5 to 2") under the mounts, then re-lower the engine and you should have clearance to get it off. i have done this several times.

End of submission by Ben Simpson.

Commodore In Car Sump Removal:

You can remove and replace the Sump in VB - VK Six Cylinder Commodores using the same method as Ben Simpson has posted above. You also need to remove the Front Stabiliser Bar.    

Links:

Thread 1

HQ_SS' Shed
SleakVH's Shed

Land Rover Conversion

HRAmbo's Shed

Mark Evans Shed

Jacks' Shed

Shed

V8 Sump Thread  

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