BanjoDiffRatioChange


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Banjo Differential Rear Axle. The lowest hole in the front is the Oil Drain Bolt Hole which doubles as a hold the Diff Centre in place Bolt. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
Banjo Differential Rear Axle. The lowest hole in the front is the Oil Drain Bolt Hole which doubles as a hold the Diff Centre in place Bolt. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.

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[edit] Banjo Differential Ratio Change:

If you want to change the ratio in a Banjo Differential there are some simple things to watch out for.

[edit] Coarse and Fine Spline Axles:

Coarse Spline Axles  were prone to break. Fine Spline Axles less so.

 
Submitted by hq_ss. on Sun, 23/08/2009 - 01:19.

I have never seen a fine spline HK-G banjo axle and I have only ever seen fine spline axles in later HZ's and WB's and in the the later LX torana's and UC's.
LJ Bathurst Xu1's had a fine spline axle's in them so Holden had the capacity to fit them back then but I have never seen them in HQ or HJ Model vehicles either.
2.78 and 3.08 banjo diffs were not common in the HQ onward series range but 3.08 were std in LC-LJ Torana's and I have seen more than the odd one of those with 2.78 diffs in them as well.
LSD's were a option so not real common but not that uncommon either.
I have even pulled a 2.78 LSD course spline from out of a rock stock std 173-trimatic equiped LH Torana.
So they were in all kinds of places not just the expected to be type cars.
Cheers Paul

 

[edit] Side Gears:

The Axle type must be matched to the Side Gears inside the Diff.

By changing the Side Gears the Axle type can be made to match the Axles. Changing the Side Gears can easily be done by a Diff Ace.

 

 

 

The closeup shows a better view of the Axle Housing stud. Note that the Stud is removed by hammering towards the rear of the Axle Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
The closeup shows a better view of the Axle Housing stud. Note that the Stud is removed by hammering towards the rear of the Axle Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 
The Image shows what the Axle Housing studs look like. Note the seration on the stud that makes it locate in the Axle housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
The Image shows what the Axle Housing studs look like. Note the seration on the stud that makes it locate in the Axle housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
 
The image shows that Axle Studs are similar to the studs used to hold the Diff centre to the Axle Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
The image shows that Axle Studs are similar to the studs used to hold the Diff centre to the Axle Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

Coarse and Fine Spline Spider Gears. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
Coarse and Fine Spline Spider Gears. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 

Coarse and Fine Spline Axles. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
Coarse and Fine Spline Axles. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 

Banjo Diff Centre. The long stud is one way of converting from 3.36 diff support to 3.08 support. The Stud looks like an HZ 6 Exhaust/Inlet Manifold Stud. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.
Banjo Diff Centre. The long stud is one way of converting from 3.36 diff support to 3.08 support. The Stud looks like an HZ 6 Exhaust/Inlet Manifold Stud. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.

 
 

3.08 Banjo Diff Centre. Note the long boss at the highest point in the photo. There is also a bulge at the top right of the diff for the larger pinion. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.
3.08 Banjo Diff Centre. Note the long boss at the highest point in the photo. There is also a bulge at the top right of the diff for the larger pinion. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.

 

3.36 Banjo Diff Centre. Note there is no long boss. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.
3.36 Banjo Diff Centre. Note there is no long boss. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.

 

The Roll Pin has been knocked out and the Cluster Pinion is being removed. Once this has been done the Sidegears can be replaced. This job should really be done by a Diff Ace. If the Cluster Gears are too loose they will rattle when the Car travels in a straight line. Too loose and the Diff will clatter when the Car transists from forward to reverse or reverse to forward. Too tight would be dangerous. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.
The Roll Pin has been knocked out and the Cluster Pinion is being removed. Once this has been done the Sidegears can be replaced. This job should really be done by a Diff Ace. If the Cluster Gears are too loose they will rattle when the Car travels in a straight line. Too loose and the Diff will clatter when the Car transists from forward to reverse or reverse to forward. Too tight would be dangerous. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.

 

The Roll Pin lies parallel to the Axle centres as the yellow arrows indicate. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.
The Roll Pin lies parallel to the Axle centres as the yellow arrows indicate. Click to Enlargen. Photo by WBUtebloke.

 

3.08 and 3.36 Diff Housings. Note the long bosses on the 3.08 that use the long Bolts. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
3.08 and 3.36 Diff Housings. Note the long bosses on the 3.08 that use the long Bolts. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 

2.78 - 3.08 Diff Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
2.78 - 3.08 Diff Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 

3.36 - 3.89 Diff Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
3.36 - 3.89 Diff Housing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 

Banjo Diff Pinion Gears. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
Banjo Diff Pinion Gears. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.

 
Exploded view of the Cluster Gears with Fine Spline Sidegears. Note the Shims that set the clearances. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
Exploded view of the Cluster Gears with Fine Spline Sidegears. Note the Shims that set the clearances. Click to Enlargen. Photo by HQ_SS.
 
One method for retaining the 3" long bolt in a 3.08 or 2.78 conversion. Click to Enlargen. Image by T.
One method for retaining the 3" long bolt in a 3.08 or 2.78 conversion. Click to Enlargen. Image by T.
 
The stud at the bottom left of the image has to be tapped out with a Hammer to fit a 3.08 or 2.78 Banjo Diff centre. This is because the Pinion gear on a 3.08 or 2.78 is so large it needs extra space to fit it into the center. The 2 longer Bolts used by the 3.08 and 2.78 must be fitted into the lower left hole and the lowest centre hole. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
The stud at the bottom left of the image has to be tapped out with a Hammer to fit a 3.08 or 2.78 Banjo Diff centre. This is because the Pinion gear on a 3.08 or 2.78 is so large it needs extra space to fit it into the center. The 2 longer Bolts used by the 3.08 and 2.78 must be fitted into the lower left hole and the lowest centre hole. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
 
The mounting studs are an interference fit into the Axle Casing and can be tapped out with relative ease. They are a similiar design to Wheel Studs. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
The mounting studs are an interference fit into the Axle Casing and can be tapped out with relative ease. They are a similiar design to Wheel Studs. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
 

This view is looking towards the rear of the car. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
This view is looking towards the rear of the car. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.

 

This stud profile is for 3.36, 3.55 and higher Ratios. The Oil Filler Plug can be seen at the rear of the Casing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.
This stud profile is for 3.36, 3.55 and higher Ratios. The Oil Filler Plug can be seen at the rear of the Casing. Click to Enlargen. Photo by Ben Campbell.

 

 

 

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